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| ====== Victron & BYD ====== | ====== Victron & BYD ====== | ||
| - | ^ Battery ^ Pro 2.5-10.0 ^ Pro 12.8 & 13.8 ^ L 3.5-14.0 ^ Premium LVL 15.4 ^ Premium LVS 4.0 ^ LV Flex 5 ^ | ||
| - | | Appearance | {{ : | ||
| - | | ESS | yes| yes| yes| yes| yes| yes| | ||
| - | | Grid Backup| | ||
| - | | Off-Grid| | ||
| - | | Module capacity| | ||
| - | | Module limit | 32| 32| 12| 64| 64| 64| | ||
| - | | Max capacity| | ||
| ===== 1. Product & System compatibility ===== | ===== 1. Product & System compatibility ===== | ||
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| For Off-grid systems, its strongly recommend to make sure there is a minimum of DC-Coupled PV (= MPPT Solar Charger) in the system. Ie. not only AC-Coupled PV. Also, minimum battery configuration, | For Off-grid systems, its strongly recommend to make sure there is a minimum of DC-Coupled PV (= MPPT Solar Charger) in the system. Ie. not only AC-Coupled PV. Also, minimum battery configuration, | ||
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| + | ^ Battery ^ Pro 2.5-10.0 ^ Pro 12.8 & 13.8 ^ L 3.5-14.0 ^ Premium LVL 15.4 ^ Premium LVS 4.0 ^ LV Flex 5 ^ LV5.0+/ | ||
| + | | Appearance | {{ : | ||
| + | | ESS | yes| yes| yes| yes| yes| yes| yes| | ||
| + | | Grid Backup| | ||
| + | | Off-Grid| | ||
| + | | Module capacity| | ||
| + | | Module limit | 32| 32| 12| 64| 64| 64| 32| | ||
| + | | Max capacity| | ||
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| === 1.2 A GX device is required, eg Cerbo GX, etc === | === 1.2 A GX device is required, eg Cerbo GX, etc === | ||
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| Some of our Solar Chargers feature a VE.Direct communication port, some feature a VE.Can communication port, and some feature both. Both of these types of communication ports can be used to connect the Solar charger to the GX Device. Such connection is mandatory, because it is used to regulate charge currents and voltages. | Some of our Solar Chargers feature a VE.Direct communication port, some feature a VE.Can communication port, and some feature both. Both of these types of communication ports can be used to connect the Solar charger to the GX Device. Such connection is mandatory, because it is used to regulate charge currents and voltages. | ||
| - | When planning to use the VE.Can communications port to connect the Solar Charger(s), make sure to select a GX Device that has sufficient CAN-Bus ports. The Color Control GX has only one such port, its VE.Can port, and is therefor not suitable. | + | When planning to use the VE.Can communications port to connect the Solar Charger(s), make sure to select a GX Device that has sufficient CAN-Bus ports. The Color Control GX has only one such port, its VE.Can port, and is therefor not suitable. |
| (*) with exception of the models “BlueSolar MPPT 150/70 CAN-bus” and “BlueSolar MPPT 150/85 CAN-bus” which are end-of-life since 2019. Legacy systems, historically installed with this configuration using the allow to charge contacts are not required to make any changes, see the legacy chapter below for details. | (*) with exception of the models “BlueSolar MPPT 150/70 CAN-bus” and “BlueSolar MPPT 150/85 CAN-bus” which are end-of-life since 2019. Legacy systems, historically installed with this configuration using the allow to charge contacts are not required to make any changes, see the legacy chapter below for details. | ||
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| | B-BOX Premium LVS 4.0 | | | B-BOX Premium LVS 4.0 | | ||
| | B-BOX LV Flex 5.0 | | | B-BOX LV Flex 5.0 | | ||
| + | | B-BOX LV5.0+/ | ||
| BYD also releases firmware update for their BMU and BMS. | BYD also releases firmware update for their BMU and BMS. | ||
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| |Phases| | |Phases| | ||
| | Inverter/ | | Inverter/ | ||
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| | Inverter RS & Multi RS 48/ | | Inverter RS & Multi RS 48/ | ||
| | Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| | Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| - | | Quattro 48/ | + | | Quattro |
| - | | Quattro 48/ | + | | Quattro |
| | EasySolar & EasySolar-II 48/ | | EasySolar & EasySolar-II 48/ | ||
| | EasySolar 48/ | | EasySolar 48/ | ||
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| | Inverter/ | | Inverter/ | ||
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| | Inverter RS & Multi RS 48/ | | Inverter RS & Multi RS 48/ | ||
| | Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| | Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| - | | Quattro 48/ | + | | Quattro |
| - | | Quattro 48/ | + | | Quattro |
| | EasySolar & EasySolar-II 48/ | | EasySolar & EasySolar-II 48/ | ||
| | EasySolar 48/ | | EasySolar 48/ | ||
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| | Inverter/ | | Inverter/ | ||
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| | Inverter RS & Multi RS 48/ | | Inverter RS & Multi RS 48/ | ||
| | Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| | Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| - | | Quattro 48/ | + | | Quattro |
| - | | Quattro 48/ | + | | Quattro |
| | EasySolar & EasySolar-II 48/ | | EasySolar & EasySolar-II 48/ | ||
| | EasySolar 48/ | | EasySolar 48/ | ||
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| | Inverter/ | | Inverter/ | ||
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| | Inverter RS & Multi RS 48/ | | Inverter RS & Multi RS 48/ | ||
| | Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| | Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| - | | Quattro 48/ | + | | Quattro |
| - | | Quattro 48/ | + | | Quattro |
| | EasySolar & EasySolar-II 48/ | | EasySolar & EasySolar-II 48/ | ||
| | EasySolar 48/ | | EasySolar 48/ | ||
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| |Phases| | |Phases| | ||
| | Inverter/ | | Inverter/ | ||
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| | Inverter RS & Multi RS 48/ | | Inverter RS & Multi RS 48/ | ||
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| | Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| - | | Quattro 48/ | + | | Quattro |
| - | | Quattro 48/ | + | | Quattro |
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| | Inverter/ | | Inverter/ | ||
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| | Inverter RS & Multi RS 48/ | | Inverter RS & Multi RS 48/ | ||
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| | Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| - | | Quattro 48/ | + | | Quattro |
| - | | Quattro 48/ | + | | Quattro |
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| - | **" | + | === Battery Modules Required - LV5.0+/ |
| + | ^ Inverter/ | ||
| + | ^ ::: ^ On-Grid ^ On-Grid with Backup ^ Off-Grid Inrush Use ^ On-Grid ^ On-Grid with Backup ^ Off-Grid Inrush Use ^ | ||
| + | | MultiPlus 48/3000/35 | ≥1| ≥1| ≥1| ≥1| ≥2| ≥2| | ||
| + | | MultiPlus 48/5000/70 | ≥1| ≥1| ≥1| ≥1| ≥2| ≥2| | ||
| + | | MultiPlus-II GX 48/ | ||
| + | | MultiPlus-II GX 48/ | ||
| + | | MultiPlus-II 230V 48/ | ||
| + | | MultiPlus-II 48/ | ||
| + | | MultiPlus-II 230V 48/ | ||
| + | | MultiPlus-II 48/ | ||
| + | | MultiPlus-II 230V 48/ | ||
| + | | MultiPlus-II 230V 48/ | ||
| + | | MultiPlus-II 230V 48/ | ||
| + | | MultiPlus-II 24/ | ||
| + | | MultiPlus-II 48/ | ||
| + | | MultiPlus-II 48/ | ||
| + | | MultiPlus-II 48/ | ||
| + | | MultiPlus-II 48/ | ||
| + | | Multi RS Solar 48/6000 Dual Tracker | ≥1| ≥3| ≥3| ≥1| ≥10| | ||
| + | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| + | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| + | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| + | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| + | | Quattro-II 48/ | ||
| + | | EasySolar-II 48/ | ||
| + | | EasySolar-II 24/ | ||
| + | | EasySolar-II 48/ | ||
| + | | EasySolar-II 48/ | ||
| + | | EasySolar-II 48/ | ||
| + | | Battery firmware: BMS ≥1.2; GX firmware ≥V3.20 ||||||| | ||
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| + | **" | ||
| The specification for these minimum battery sizes was obtained from [[http:// | The specification for these minimum battery sizes was obtained from [[http:// | ||
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| Even a single 100/20 48V MPPT charger unit with 2 x 60 cell solar panels would be sufficient to add this self correcting mechanism able to maintain the DC bus voltage and improve longterm system reliability considerably from accidental deep discharge and subsequent shut down. | Even a single 100/20 48V MPPT charger unit with 2 x 60 cell solar panels would be sufficient to add this self correcting mechanism able to maintain the DC bus voltage and improve longterm system reliability considerably from accidental deep discharge and subsequent shut down. | ||
| - | ===== 7. Example | + | ===== 7. Example |
| + | ng Diagram ===== | ||
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| === Step 0. If the Inverter/ | === Step 0. If the Inverter/ | ||
| - | As a safety precaution, the inverter/ | + | When the grid is connected there are two software controls to sustain voltage. The Minimum SOC (while grid is connected) set in the GX device, and the sustain voltage (set in the ESS assistant). |
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| + | If the grid fails and no AC supply is available, in this deeply discharged state, and the battery has set the Discharge Current Limit (DCL) to 0A, then the inverter will turn off in a software off state. | ||
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| + | The GX device | ||
| + | Note in this state an AC PV inverter will not produce any power, and will not start up, as it requires the inverter to create the sine wave to synchronise. | ||
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| + | If the AC grid or generator, or DC MPPT is connected, then the battery will begin to charge and then the inverter will start itself again automatically, | ||
| + | If instead | ||
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| + | If you then reconnect a DC charge source, or AC input supply (grid or generator), after approximately 2 minutes | ||
| - | You can then start the inverter/ | ||
| === Step 1. Check that the BYD battery is visible on the GX device list === | === Step 1. Check that the BYD battery is visible on the GX device list === | ||
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| If its not visible, check: | If its not visible, check: | ||
| - | * [[venus-os: | + | * [[venus-os: |
| * BYD firmware version (see requirement above) | * BYD firmware version (see requirement above) | ||
| * CAN-bus communication cabling between BYD and Victron system. Make sure that it is in the right way around. If the special cable is plugged in reversed it won't work. | * CAN-bus communication cabling between BYD and Victron system. Make sure that it is in the right way around. If the special cable is plugged in reversed it won't work. | ||
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| In general the ARM LED on the battery module has these meanings: | In general the ARM LED on the battery module has these meanings: | ||
| - | * Could be a temporary issue, that corrects self automatically after a short while (matter of minutes). | + | * Could be a temporary issue, that corrects self automatically after a short |
| + | while (matter of minutes). | ||
| * Could be an external issue, unacceptable voltage or current. | * Could be an external issue, unacceptable voltage or current. | ||
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| + | ===== 12. High cell voltage warning or alarm shown on battery status ===== | ||
| - | ===== 12. Further Information ===== | + | The 'high cell voltage' |
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| + | It is easiest to confirm this diagnosis in VRM in the Advanced Widget for the Battery Monitor as it logs this data over time. | ||
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| + | It is also possible to see an instantaneous cell max/min on the GX device in the Menu -> BYD Battery -> Details | ||
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| + | In a normal well balanced battery installation, | ||
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| + | {{: | ||
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| + | In an imbalanced battery installation, | ||
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| + | To help the batteries balance quickly, keep the batteries fully charged and the system voltage stable until the errors go away. In an ESS system, set it to 'keep batteries charged', | ||
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| + | If you are unable to maintain the target voltage to balance the batteries without the 'high cell voltage' | ||
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| + | {{: | ||
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| + | Another method that may also help is limiting the maximum charge current that is provided by the solar chargers. In some cases this can allow a better charge without needing to reduce the overall battery charge voltage as much (or at all), by reducing the high current spikes. Charge current limits can be applied at a system level in DVCC - however they will be much more effective and quicker to react to changing conditions if applied at an individual unit level within the MPPT settings in VictronConnect: | ||
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| + | Start with a severe current limit (i.e 50%) and then see if that resolves the issue (while still making sure the system receives a full charge). If the issue is still not resolved, continue to restrict further. | ||
| + | Once the alarms stop, then increase Max Charge Current back to the point where the issue reappears, and then reduce it again by 10%. Note this may also be seasonally affected (if solar window is limited with the changing sun angle). | ||
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| + | All of these values can be monitored, and the settings adjustments can be performed remotely with an internet connected system via VRM and VictronConnect Remote. | ||
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| + | If it is not possible to raise the voltage or current limits over time, and eventually disable the manual overrides without the alarms reoccurring; | ||
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| + | 1: If you have 2 or more batteries in your system, you can try shutting down the system once it is as close to fully charged as possible, and then physically connecting the batteries in smaller groups (or even individually) so that balancing can occur on each individual battery without it being masked by the others connected in parallel. It may help you to see the indicator lights on the battery (if available on that model) to find which battery might be out of balance with the others. You can also monitor this in VRM and the GX device using the min/max cell voltage reporting. | ||
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| + | 2: Contact your BYD dealer for further assistance (they can provide additional software to see even more detailed individual cell level data), or assist with other potential solutions. | ||
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| + | ===== 13. Further Information ===== | ||
| For information about where to buy or find suitably qualified installers, visit the [[https:// | For information about where to buy or find suitably qualified installers, visit the [[https:// | ||
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| - | ===== DISQUS ===== | + | |
| - | ~~DISQUS~~ | + | |
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