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guy_stewart [3.1 VE.Smart Networking products compatibility]
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-====== VE.Smart Networking ====== +Moved to: https://www.victronenergy.com/media/pg/20723-VE_Smart_Networking-html5/index.html?lang=en
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-===== 1. Introduction ===== +
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-A VE.Smart Network is a wireless network which allows a number of Victron products to exchange information. It is a wireless technology using Bluetooth Smart. +
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-Use VE.Smart to add remote voltage, temperature and/or current sensing to your Victron MPPT Solar Chargers. Connect either a BMV battery monitor - or the new [[https://www.victronenergy.com/accessories/smart-battery-sense|Smart Battery Sense]], to a Solar Charger. The Solar Charger will receive the available information from the battery , like battery voltage and temperature (depending on the sensor) information, and use that data to optimize its charge parameters. This will improve charging-efficiency and prolong battery life.  +
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-Use also now the VE.Smart Networking to synchronise the charger algorithms from Solar Chargers and improve even further the charge-efficiency and battery life. This feature is only available on SmartSolars with firmware version equal or higher then v1.47 (Ve.Direct SmartSolars) and v1.04 (Ve.Can SmartSolars). +
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-===== 2. Voltage, temperature and current sense - further details ===== +
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-The battery voltage data is used to compensate for voltage-drop over the battery cables. This ensures that the battery is charged with the exact voltage as configured in the charger - instead of a lower voltage due to resistance in the wiring. +
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-The battery temperature data is used to adjust the charge voltages. When cold, a lead/acid battery typically needs a higher charge-voltage ...and a lower charge-voltage when it's hot. +
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-For lithium batteries the charge-voltages remain the same at all temperatures, as long as it’s not //too// cold. Its better to not charge Ltihium batteries below 5C, to prevent them from being damaged and degraded.  +
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-The battery current is used to allow the tail current setting (see the [[victronconnect:mppt-solarchargers#battery_settings|Solar Charger Manual]] for more details) to be used more precisely as, by having the actual battery current, the Solar Charger can decide better if absorption phase should stop and go to equalisation/float phase. +
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-===== 3. Specifications ===== +
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-==== 3.1 VE.Smart Networking products compatibility ==== +
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-^Product range     ^ Compatible ^ Function ^ +
-|BMV-700           | Yes (requires [[https://www.victronenergy.com/accessories/ve-direct-bluetooth-smart-dongle|dongle accessory]])<sup> (2)</sup> | Transmit voltage-sense and current-sense | +
-|BMV-702           | Yes (requires [[https://www.victronenergy.com/accessories/ve-direct-bluetooth-smart-dongle|dongle accessory]])<sup> (2)</sup> | Transmit voltage-sense, current-sense, and (optionally) temperature  <sup> (1)</sup>+
-|BMV-712           | Yes | Transmit voltage-sense, current-sense, and (optionally) temperature <sup> (1)</sup>+
-|SmartSolar MPPTs  | Yes <sup> (2)</sup> | Uses received sense data to optimize charging and synchronise charging process <sup> (3)</sup>+
-|BlueSolar MPPTs   | Yes (requires [[https://www.victronenergy.com/accessories/ve-direct-bluetooth-smart-dongle|dongle accessory]])<sup> (2)</sup> | Uses received sense data to optimize charging | +
-|Phoenix Smart IP43 Charger   | No | Not yet supported, may be compatible in the future | +
-|Orion-Tr Smart DC-DC Charger Isolated   | No | Not yet supported, may be compatible in the future | +
-|Blue Smart Chargers IP22, IP65 and IP67   | No | Not yet supported, may be compatible in the future | +
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-  - To measure battery temperature, the [[https://www.victronenergy.com/accessories/temperature-sensor-for-bmv-702|BMV series temperature sensor is required]]. +
-  - Check the table below to see which models are incompatible with this feature. +
-  - Synchronised charging is available on the SmartSolar on version v1.47 or higher except for the models listed on the table below +
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-=== First production batches of SmartSolar MPPTs do not support VE.Smart Networking === +
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-All currently shipping SmartSolar MPPTs support VE.Smart Networking. However some older versions of those models do **not** support VE.Smart Networking. Those devices will also not become compatible later with a firmware update: the incompatibility is due to a hardware limitation in those devices. There is a work around: connect a [[https://www.victronenergy.com/accessories/ve-direct-bluetooth-smart-dongle|VE.Direct Bluetooth Smart dongle]]. This **enables** VE.Smart Networking support. Both Voltage and Temperature sense will work. In such scenario the internal Bluetooth interface of the SmartSolar should not be used anymore as communication errors may occur - instead the VE.Direct Bluetooth Smart dongle is to be used when connecting by phone or tablet. This is the list of the older //incompatible// products and part-numbers - together with the part numbers of their compatible successors: +
-^Product                            ^ Old Incompatible Part-number   ^ New Compatible Part-number ^ +
-|VE.Direct Bluetooth Smart dongle  |ASS030536010 |ASS030536011 | +
-|SmartSolar MPPT 150/85 Tr        |SCC010085210 |SCC115085211 | +
-|SmartSolar MPPT 150/85 MC4       |SCC010085310 |SCC115085311 | +
-|SmartSolar MPPT 150/100 Tr       |SCC010100210 |SCC115110211 | +
-|SmartSolar MPPT 150/100 MC4      |SCC010100310 |SCC115110311 | +
-|SmartSolar MPPT 250/85           |SCC125085210 (before s/n HQ1811) \\ SCC125085310 (before s/n HQ1811)|SCC125085210 (after s/n HQ1811) \\ SCC125085310 (after s/n HQ1811) | +
-|SmartSolar MPPT 250/100          |SCC125110210 (before s/n HQ1811) \\ SCC125110310 (before s/n HQ1811)|SCC125110210 (after s/n HQ1811) \\ SCC125110310 (after s/n HQ1811) | +
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-==== 3.2 Limitations ==== +
-  * The maximum number of devices which can be connected on one network is 25. +
-  * VE.Smart Networking is designed for small systems which do not have a [[venus-os:start|GX device]] - such as a Color Control GX or Venus GX. In systems which have a [[venus-os:start|GX device]], do not use VE.Smart Networking - [[https://www.victronenergy.com/live/victronconnect:ve-smart-networking#faq|See FAQ 6.]] +
-  * The transmitter range will be found to be the same as the Bluetooth range - as experienced when connecting a device to //VictronConnect//+
-  * VE.Smart Networking is not allowed to be created with the charger that already has a CAN network that is also being used to synchronise the charger algorithm with other chargers or if an ESS or an intelligent battery is used on the CAN network. +
-===== 4. Step by step instructions ===== +
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-We recommend you configure the Smart Battery Sense, or BMV first ...and //then// add one or more solar chargers to that network. You can read the Smart Battery Sense manual [[https://www.victronenergy.com/live/smart_battery_sense_manual|here]]. +
-==== 4.1 Setup the Smart Battery Sense or BMV ==== +
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-Open [[victronconnect:start|VictronConnect]], connect the device, and then navigate to //Settings// and select //VE.Smart Networking//+
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-Click //Create Network//, enter a name. Click //Save// and wait for the 'OK' to show up. +
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-{{:victronconnect:vc_vesmartnetwork_sbs_create_network.png?direct&150|}}{{:victronconnect:vc_vesmartnetwork_sbs_create_dialog.png?direct&150|}}{{:victronconnect:vc_vesmartnetwork_sbs_configured.png?direct&150|}}{{:victronconnect:vc_vesmartnetwork_sbs_transmitting.png?direct&150|}} +
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-==== 4.2 Join the Solar Chargers to the network ==== +
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-Go back and navigate to the //Solar charger//, then click //Settings// followed by //VE.Smart Networking// followed by //Join Existing//. Now select the network which you created at the previous step. +
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-Wait for the 'OK' to show. +
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-{{:victronconnect:vc_vesmartnetwork_mppt_join_network.png?direct&150|}}{{:victronconnect:vc_vesmartnetwork_mppt_select_network.png?direct&150|}}{{:victronconnect:vc_vesmartnetwork_mppt_configured.png?direct&150|}} +
-==== 4.3 Verify operation ==== +
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-When everything is working OK, you will be able to see that the VE.Smart Networking page of the Solar Charger is receiving data: +
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-{{:victronconnect:vc_vesmartnetwork_mppt_received_data.png?direct&150|}} +
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-Also the network icon {{:victronconnect:ve_smart_networking.png?direct&24|}}will be shown on the main page: +
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-{{:victronconnect:vc_vesmartnetwork_mppt_livedata.png?direct&150|}} +
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-Clicking on that icon will show the network status. +
-===== 5. FAQ ===== +
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-=== Q1: Can several MPPTs be paired to one Smart Battery Sense or BMV?  === +
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-Yes. If SmartSolars are connected to the same network, they will also synchronize their charger algorithms. +
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-=== Q2: Is VE.Smart Networking disrupted if I connect a smartphone to it at the same time? === +
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-Not at all. It is possible to connect with a smart phone, computer or tablet, at the same time. +
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-=== Q3: Will you add the same functionality to the BlueSmart Charger product range? === +
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-Yes we will - though the exact functionality, and the models to be included has yet to be determined. +
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-=== Q4: Can Smart Battery Sense be used as a standalone product? === +
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-Yes. In this instance it will simply act as a voltage- and temperature-measuring device. Note that the functionality is limited in that it does not (yet) show the graphs or other data which would normally be generated from these measurements. +
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-=== Q5: Can I use Smart Battery Sense in systems already controlled by a GX device (eg CCGX/VenusGX)? === +
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-No. The GX device already has voltage sensing (soon they will have temperature sensing too). Adding Smart Battery Sense to the installation will confuse the voltage-sensing data. For further information please see: [[https://www.victronenergy.com/live/ccgx:start#dvcc_-_distributed_voltage_and_current_control|CCGX/Distributed Voltage and Current Control.]] +
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-===== DISQUS ===== +
-~~DISQUS~~+
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