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--- victronconnect:ve-smart-networking [2019-06-25 10:05] – [3.1 VE.Smart Networking compatible products] mkuiken
+++ victronconnect:ve-smart-networking [2019-12-13 11:41] – tabreu
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 A VE.Smart Network is a wireless network which allows a number of Victron products to exchange information. It is a wireless technology using Bluetooth Smart.
-Use VE.Smart to add remote voltage- and temperature- sensing to your Victron MPPT Solar Chargers. Connect either a BMV battery monitor - or the new [[https://www.victronenergy.com/accessories/smart-battery-sense|Smart Battery Sense]], to a Solar Charger. The Solar Charger will receive battery voltage & temperature information, and use that data to optimize its charge parameters. This will improve charging-efficiency and prolong battery life.
+Use VE.Smart to add remote voltage, temperature and/or current sensing to your Victron MPPT Solar Chargers. Connect either a BMV battery monitor - or the new [[https://www.victronenergy.com/accessories/smart-battery-sense|Smart Battery Sense]], to a Solar Charger. The Solar Charger will receive the available information from the battery , like battery voltage and temperature (depending on the sensor) information, and use that data to optimize its charge parameters. This will improve charging-efficiency and prolong battery life.
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-===== 2. Voltage and temperature sense - further details =====
+You can also now use the VE.Smart Networking to synchronise the charger algorithms from your Solar Chargers and improve even further your charge-efficiency and battery life. This feature is only available on SmartSolars with firmware version equal or higher then v1.47 (Ve.Direct SmartSolars) and v1.04 (Ve.Can SmartSolars).
+===== 2. Voltage, temperature and current sense - further details =====
 The battery voltage data is used to compensate for voltage-drop over the battery cables. This ensures that the battery is charged with the exact voltage as configured in the charger - instead of a lower voltage due to resistance in the wiring.
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 For lithium batteries the charge-voltages remain the same at all temperatures, as long as it’s not //too// cold. Its better to not charge Ltihium batteries below 5C, to prevent them from being damaged and degraded.
-===== 3. Specifications =====
-==== 3.1 VE.Smart Networking compatible products ====
+The battery current is used to allow the tail current setting (see the [[victronconnect:mppt-solarchargers#battery_settings|]] section on the MPPT manual for more details) to be used more precisely as, by having the actual battery current, the Solar Charger can decide better if it should stop the absorption phase and go into equalisation/float.
-^Product range     ^ Compatible ^ [[https://www.victronenergy.com/accessories/ve-direct-bluetooth-smart-dongle|Requires VE.Direct Bluetooth Smart dongle]] ^ Function ^
+===== 3. Specifications =====
-|BMV-700           | Yes | Yes | Voltage-sense |
-|BMV-702           | Yes | Yes | Voltage-sense, and (optionally) temperature  <sup> (1)</sup> |
-|BMV-712           | Yes | No, has built in bluetooth | Voltage-sense, and (optionally) temperature <sup> (1)</sup> |
-|SmartSolar MPPTs  | Yes <sup> (2)</sup>| No, has built in bluetooth | Uses received sense data to optimize charging |
-|BlueSolar MPPTs   | Yes | Yes | Uses received sense data to optimize charging |
+==== 3.1 VE.Smart Networking products compatibility ====
+^Product range     ^ Compatible ^ Function ^
+|BMV-700           | Yes (requires [[https://www.victronenergy.com/accessories/ve-direct-bluetooth-smart-dongle|dongle accessory]]) | Transmit voltage-sense and current-sense |
+|BMV-702           | Yes (requires [[https://www.victronenergy.com/accessories/ve-direct-bluetooth-smart-dongle|dongle accessory]]) | Transmit voltage-sense, current-sense, and (optionally) temperature  <sup> (1)</sup> |
+|BMV-712           | Yes | Transmit voltage-sense, current-sense, and (optionally) temperature <sup> (1)</sup> |
+|SmartSolar MPPTs  | Yes <sup> (2)</sup> | Uses received sense data to optimize charging and synchronise charging process <sup> (3)</sup> |
+|BlueSolar MPPTs   | Yes | Uses received sense data to optimize charging |
+|Phoenix Smart IP43 Charger   | No | Not yet supported, may be compatible in the future |
+|Orion-Tr Smart DC-DC Charger Isolated   | No | Not yet supported, may be compatible in the future |
+|Blue Smart Chargers IP22, IP65 and IP67   | No | Not yet supported, may be compatible in the future |
   - To measure battery temperature, the [[https://www.victronenergy.com/accessories/temperature-sensor-for-bmv-702|BMV series temperature sensor is required]].
   - Check the table below to see which models are incompatible with this feature.
+  - Synchronised charging is available on the SmartSolar on version v1.47 or higher except for the models listed on the table below
+=== First production batches of SmartSolar MPPTs do not support VE.Smart Networking ===
-All new SmartSolar MPPT's support VE.Smart Networking. However some older versions of our hardware do **not** support VE.Smart Networking. A list of the older //incompatible// products and part-numbers - together with the part numbers of their compatible successors is as follows :
+All currently shipping SmartSolar MPPTs support VE.Smart Networking. However some older versions of those models do **not** support VE.Smart Networking. Those devices will also not become compatible later with a firmware update: the incompatibility is due to a hardware limitation in those devices. There is a work around: connect a [[https://www.victronenergy.com/accessories/ve-direct-bluetooth-smart-dongle|VE.Direct Bluetooth Smart dongle]]. This **enables** VE.Smart Networking support. Both Voltage and Temperature sense will work. In such scenario the internal Bluetooth interface of the SmartSolar should not be used anymore as communication errors may occur - instead the VE.Direct Bluetooth Smart dongle is to be used when connecting by phone or tablet. This is the list of the older //incompatible// products and part-numbers - together with the part numbers of their compatible successors:
 ^Product                            ^ Old Incompatible Part-number   ^ New Compatible Part-number ^
 |VE.Direct Bluetooth Smart dongle  |ASS030536010 |ASS030536011 |
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 |SmartSolar MPPT 250/100          |SCC125110210 (before s/n HQ1811) \\ SCC125110310 (before s/n HQ1811)|SCC125110210 (after s/n HQ1811) \\ SCC125110310 (after s/n HQ1811) |
-Note that when listed as not compatible; they will also not become compatible later. The incompatibility is due to a hardware limitation in those devices.
-Also note that connecting a VE.Direct Bluetooth Smart dongle (ASS030536011) to an incompatible SmartSolar charger, will **enable** VE.Smart Networking support for the SmartSolar (Voltage and Temperature sense). In such scenario the internal Bluetooth interface of the SmartSolar should not be used anymore as communication errors may occur - instead the VE.Direct Bluetooth Smart dongle is to be used when connecting by phone or tablet.
 ==== 3.2 Limitations ====
   * The maximum number of devices which can be connected on one network is 25.
-  * VE.Smart Networking is designed for small systems which do not have a [[venus-os:start|Venus-device]] - such as a Color Control GX or Venus GX. In systems which have a [[venus-os:start|Venus-device]], do not use VE.Smart Networking - [[https://www.victronenergy.com/live/victronconnect:ve-smart-networking#faq|See FAQ 6.]]
+  * VE.Smart Networking is designed for small systems which do not have a [[venus-os:start|GX device]] - such as a Color Control GX or Venus GX. In systems which have a [[venus-os:start|GX device]], do not use VE.Smart Networking - [[https://www.victronenergy.com/live/victronconnect:ve-smart-networking#faq|See FAQ 6.]]
   * The transmitter range will be found to be the same as the Bluetooth range - as experienced when connecting a device to //VictronConnect//.
 ===== 4. Step by step instructions =====
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 Yes. In this instance it will simply act as a voltage- and temperature-measuring device. Note that the functionality is limited in that it does not (yet) show the graphs or other data which would normally be generated from these measurements.
-=== Q6: Can I use Smart Battery Sense in systems already controlled by a CCGX/Venus GX? ===
+=== Q6: Can I use Smart Battery Sense in systems already controlled by a GX device (eg CCGX/VenusGX)? ===
-No. The CCGX/Venus GX already has voltage sensing (soon they will have temperature sensing too). Adding Smart Battery Sense to the installation will confuse the voltage-sensing data. For further information please see: [[https://www.victronenergy.com/live/ccgx:start#dvcc_-_distributed_voltage_and_current_control|CCGX/Distributed Voltage and Current Control.]]
+No. The GX device already has voltage sensing (soon they will have temperature sensing too). Adding Smart Battery Sense to the installation will confuse the voltage-sensing data. For further information please see: [[https://www.victronenergy.com/live/ccgx:start#dvcc_-_distributed_voltage_and_current_control|CCGX/Distributed Voltage and Current Control.]]
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