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 ====== AC-coupled PV with Fronius PV Inverters ====== ====== AC-coupled PV with Fronius PV Inverters ======
  
-This document describes how to setup Victron Hub-2 and Off-grid systems with AC-coupled PV (micro grids), using Fronius PV Inverters. For Fronius information on the same subject, see their [[http://www.fronius.com/cps/rde/xbcr/SID-F75BE891-A018D2F4/fronius_international/SE_DOC_FLY_MicroGrids_GridFormer_EN_326404_snapshot.pdf|MicroGrid flyer]].+This document describes how to setup Energy-storage, Off-grid/Micro-grid and Backup systems with AC-coupled PV, using Fronius PV Inverters. 
  
-Integrated system monitoringuse the [[http://www.victronenergy.com/panel-systems-remote-monitoring/color-control|Color Control GX]] (CCGX) and its [[ccgx:ccgx_fronius|Fronius monitoring function]].+Victron GX Devices, eg [[https://www.victronenergy.com/panel-systems-remote-monitoring/cerbo-gx|Cerbo GX]] or the [[https://www.victronenergy.com/panel-systems-remote-monitoring/color-control|Color Control GX]] also include built-in Fronius monitoring.
  
-===== Introduction to frequency shifting =====+{{:ac_coupling:ccgx_devicelist_fronius.png?direct|}} 
 +{{:ac_coupling:ccgx_hub4_overview_froniusicon.png?direct|}}
  
-To make sure that the Fronius PV inverter works well with Victron inverter/chargers, both must be configureren with the right 'frequency shift settings'. //[To do add a few lines to explain what ac frequency shifting is and what it is for, including link to factor 1.0 rule page. Some snippets: makes the Fronius PV inverter limit its output power based on the AC frequency.See the following graph, with the frequency on the X-axis, and the maximum output power as a percentage]// 
  
-===== Fronius / Victron specifics =====+For Fronius information on the same subject, see their [[http://www.fronius.com/cps/rde/xbcr/SID-F75BE891-A018D2F4/fronius_international/SE_DOC_FLY_MicroGrids_GridFormer_EN_326404_snapshot.pdf|MicroGrid flyer]].
  
-With a Fronius PV inverter this is a very easy setup. The Fronius Setup MicroGrid (MG) has been developed in close cooperation with Victron EnergySimply order the PV Inverters with option Setup MG 50 (for 50 Hz systems) or Setup 60 for 60 Hz systems. Everything is then preconfigured. The MG Setups have all the necessary settings preconfigured, and match the default Victron Assistant settings, such as: +A Victron & Fronius training webinar video is available to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRp2duFQCHg|watch here]].  
-  +{{youtube>tRp2duFQCHg?medium}} 
-  * Tolerant voltage and frequency boundaries + 
-  * Disable Anti-Islanding detection +===== 1.1 Frequency shifting ===== 
-  * Frequency dependent power reduction according to the graph in the [[http://www.fronius.com/cps/rde/xbcr/SID-F75BE891-A018D2F4/fronius_international/SE_DOC_FLY_MicroGrids_GridFormer_EN_326404_snapshot.pdf|MicroGrid flyer]] (Starting at 51 Hz with a droop of 60 %/Hz, so at 52.8 Hz the power = zero and the inverter disconnects at 53 Hz)+ 
 +To make sure that the Fronius PV inverter works well with Victron inverter/chargers, both must be configured with the right 'frequency shift settings': 
 +  * The Fronius PV Inverter must be set to Setup MG, short for Micro-Grid.  
 +  * For off-grid systems, load the Multi or Quattro with the PV Inverter support Assistant 
 +  * For on-grid / energy-storage systems, load the Multi or Quattro with the ESS Assistant. Read information about ESS in the [[ess:design-installation-manual|]]. 
 + 
 +And the [[ac_coupling:start|1:1 limit rule]] must be adhered to. 
 + 
 +===== 1.2 Fronius / Victron specifics ===== 
 + 
 +This is a very easy setup. The Fronius Setup Microgrid has been developed in close cooperation with Victron. During commissioning, set the PV Inverter to Setup MG50 (or Setup MG60 for 60 Hz systems). Everything is then pre-configured. The Setup MG settings match the default Victron Assistant settings.
    
-Compatible inverters are: +**Compatible ROW inverters** (for "European type AC grid"are: 
-  * Fronius IG Plus V (1~, 2~, 3~, 2.5 kW up to 12 kW) -> from IGF 5.0.66 on with settings according to the VICTRON recommendations. +  * Fronius Primo (1~, 3 kW up to 8.2 kW) -> Software //fro27140.upd// or higher (see FAQ Q5!
-  * Fronius Galvo (1~, 1.5 kW up to 3.1 kW-> use latest FW +  * Fronius Symo (3~, 3 kW up to 20 kW) -> Software //fro27140.upd// or higher (see FAQ Q5!) 
-  * Fronius Symo (3~, 3 kW up to 20 kW) -> use latest FW +  * Fronius Eco (3~, 25 kW or 27 kW) -> Software //fro27140.upd// or higher (see FAQ Q5!) 
-  * Fronius Primo (1~, kW up to 8.2 kW) -> use latest FW +  * Fronius Agilo (3~, 75 kW up to 100 kW) -> Software //update19.tl// or higher 
-  * Fronius Eco (3~, 25 kW up to 27 kW) -> use latest FW +  * Fronius IG Plus V (1~, 2~, 3~, 2.5 kW up to 12 kW) -> from //IGF 5.0.66// on with settings according to the Victron recommendations
-  * Fronius Agilo (3~, 75 kW up to 100 kW) -> use latest FW+
  
-Recommended for new systems are the SYMO inverters for 3~ systems and PRIMO inverters for 1~ systemsDo note that these products topology is transformerless and therefore PV-Modules that need to be grounded cannot be connected.+For new systems the Fronius Symo and Fronius Eco inverters are recommended for 3~ applications. The Fronius Primo inverters are recommended for 1~ applicationsPlease note that all these inverters are transformerless and therefore PV-Modules that require pole-grounding (on the Plus or Minus pole) cannot be connected.
  
-In case of PV modules that need to be grounded, use inverters from the IG Plus V series or Fronius Galvo inverters.+The use of Fronius Galvo inverters is not recommended anymore for new applications - the Fronius Primo is the best substitute and offers higher efficiency, wider DC voltage range and two MPP trackers.
  
-When setting up a systemalways update both the Fronius and the Victron devices to their latest versions.+**Compatible UL inverters** (for "US type AC grid") are: 
 +  * Fronius Primo UL (1~, 3.8 kW up to 15 kW) -> Software //fro27470.upd// or higher (see FAQ Q5!) 
 +  * Fronius Symo 10-24 480V (3~10 kW up to 24 kW) -> Software //fro27140.upd// or higher (see FAQ Q5!) 
 +  * Fronius Symo 10-15 208-240V (3~, 10 up to 15 kW) -> Software //fro27140.upd// or higher (see FAQ Q5!)
  
-===== Setting up the Fronius with MG 50/60 =====+For the UL inverters, some more Microgrid Setups are available (e.g. for connection with Neutral conductor or without). Also the UL inverters can be used in 60Hz as well as in 50Hz applications. More information can be found in the user manuals. 
 + 
 +When setting up a system, always update both the Fronius and the Victron devices to their latest firmware versions. For the latest Fronius firmware and information how to update use this link: 
 +[[http://www.fronius.com/cps/rde/xchg/SID-0E6A6973-2D12EBA2/fronius_international/hs.xsl/83_20347_ENG_HTML.htm#.VouMJOb9XxQ|Fronius firmware update]] 
 + 
 +===== 1.3 Setting up the Fronius with Setup MG50/MG60 =====
  
 When not pre-ordered with a MicroGrid setup, follow these steps: When not pre-ordered with a MicroGrid setup, follow these steps:
-  - Make sure that the Fronius PV inverter is updated to at least the firmware version mentioned above. See table above.+  - Make sure that the Fronius PV inverter is updated to at least the firmware version mentioned above. See Inverter list above.
   - After making the inverter operational according to the manual, select the language and after this the country specific setup.   - After making the inverter operational according to the manual, select the language and after this the country specific setup.
   - Here choose MG50 or MG60 depending on the system frequency.   - Here choose MG50 or MG60 depending on the system frequency.
   - Ready to start up.   - Ready to start up.
  
-===== Setting up the Victron Multi or Quattro =====+===== 1.4 Setting up the Victron Multi or Quattro =====
  
   - After connecting the MultiPlus or Quattro with the battery, you can now connect a computer through the VE.Bus (in combination with the Victron interface MK2USB) to configure the system with the latest version of the software VE.Configure.   - After connecting the MultiPlus or Quattro with the battery, you can now connect a computer through the VE.Bus (in combination with the Victron interface MK2USB) to configure the system with the latest version of the software VE.Configure.
   - Go to the tab Assistants: \\ {{:ac_coupling:add_assistant.png?nolink&}}   - Go to the tab Assistants: \\ {{:ac_coupling:add_assistant.png?nolink&}}
   - Add one of the Assistants that regulate output frequency:   - Add one of the Assistants that regulate output frequency:
-      - Self-consumption Hub-2 v2 +      - [[ess:design-installation-manual|ESS Assistant]]
-      - Self-consumption Hub-2 v3+
       - PV Inverter support       - PV Inverter support
-  - Note that it is not necessary to change the default settings in the Assistant. The default settings work together with the default Fronius Micro-grid settings. \\ {{:ac_coupling:8b249443cd6d2a5632b07998773a1e6d.png?nolink&}} \\+  - Note that it is not necessary to change the default settings in the Assistant. \\ {{:ac_coupling:ess_frequency_settings.png?nolink&}} \\
   - Complete the rest of the Assistant and write the new settings to the MultiPlus or Quattro.   - Complete the rest of the Assistant and write the new settings to the MultiPlus or Quattro.
 \\ \\
  
-===== Frequently asked questions =====+Table with general suggested settings for 50Hz and 60Hz frequency 
 +| ** State ** | ** 50Hz ** | ** 60Hz ** |. | 
 +| Start| 50.2 | 60.2|Hz| 
 +| Minimum| 52.7 | 62.7|Hz| 
 +| Disconnect| 53.0 | 63.0|Hz| \\
  
-=== Why doesn't the frequency settings in the Multi and the Fronius need to be the same? ===+Note that although the MG50 for instance has a higher start frequency of 51Hz, there is no real drawback using the proposed value of 50.2Hz. The system will just increase the frequency until the PV inverter regulation kicks in. The value of 50.2Hz will work with a broader range of PV inverters/grid codes. 
 + 
 +More information on adding Assistants is [[assistants:how_to_add_and_configure_an_assistant|here]]. 
 + 
 + 
 + 
 +====== 2. GX Devices & Fronius PV Inverters ====== 
 + 
 +By connecting a Fronius PV Inverter and GX device (eg [[https://www.victronenergy.com/panel-systems-remote-monitoring/color-control|Color Control GX]] (CCGX) together you will be able to: 
 +  - See Fronius information on the GX Device. 
 +  - Monitor the Fronius on the VRM Portal. 
 +  - Allow the Victron system to control the Fronius output power, Zero feed-in. See the [[ess:design-installation-manual|ESS manual]], chapter 2.1.3 Fronius Zero feed-in for details. 
 + 
 +This document describes how to setup the monitoring functions.  
 + 
 +===== 2.1 Requirements ===== 
 +^ Model ^ Required accessory ^ 
 +| Fronius Symo Light | Purchase and install the [[http://www.fronius.com/cps/rde/xchg/SID-FD8CF128-0D078554/fronius_international/hs.xsl/83_27954_ENG_HTML.htm#.VPhTUfnF_jU|datamanager 2.0]] | 
 +| Fronius Symo       | No accessory needed, datamanager card installed from factory | 
 +| Fronius Galvo      | No accessory needed, datamanager card installed from factory | 
 +| Fronius Primo      | No accessory needed, datamanager card installed from factory | 
 +| Fronius Eco        | No accessory needed, datamanager card installed from factory | 
 +| Fronius IG Plus (*)   | Purchase and install the [[http://www.fronius.com/cps/rde/xchg/SID-FD8CF128-0D078554/fronius_international/hs.xsl/83_27954_ENG_HTML.htm#.VPhTUfnF_jU|datamanager 2.0]] | 
 +| Fronius Agilo      | Purchase and install the [[http://www.fronius.com/cps/rde/xchg/SID-FD8CF128-0D078554/fronius_international/hs.xsl/83_27954_ENG_HTML.htm#.VPhTUfnF_jU|datamanager box]] | 
 + 
 +(*) The Fronius Zero feed-in feature - which is part of an Energy Storage System [[ess:design-installation-manual|ESS]] - will work on all the above models except the //IG Plus//. 
 + 
 +All recent Fronius inverters - for example the Fronius Primo - will arrive fitted with a //datamanager 2.0//, as standard. 
 + 
 +Both the Fronius and the GX Device need to be connected on the same LAN - either via Wi-Fi or Ethernet. 
 + 
 +Note that the [[http://www.fronius.com/cps/rde/xchg/SID-7A2958B6-BB813144/fronius_international/hs.xsl/83_16106_DEU_HTML.htm|Datalogger Web]] is not supported. Contact your Fronius dealer to find out about the upgrading options. 
 + 
 +===== 2.2. Configuring ===== 
 + 
 +==== 2.2.1 Setup Local Area Network (LAN) Configuration==== 
 +In order to establish a data communication between the Fronius and the GX Device, you will have to setup a valid LAN IP address on the Fronius, using one of the following methods. If you are in doubt, which method is the best for your network, please ask your system administrator or IT support. 
 + 
 +=== 2.2.1.1 DHCP addressing method === 
 +If you have a DHCP server running on the LAN the Fronius and GX Device are connected to, you don't need to manually configure your LAN IP addresses as the DHCP server does this for you. Make sure, that the "IP Switch" is in "B" (default) position on the datamanager, to allow the Fronius to obtain it's IP address. It can be reviewed in the Address Lease Table of the DHCP server. 
 + 
 +=== 2.2.1.2 Link-local addressing method  === 
 +When no DHCP server is present on the LAN and you only have one Fronius unit to connect, Link-local addressing can be used to establish data communication between the GX Device and the Fronius. 
 +This could be the case, if you use a WiFi Network for the GX Device to gain access to the Internet and have a Fronius connected to the wired LAN Interface of that GX Device.  
 + 
 +Note, that no direct access to the internet will be possible for the Fronius in that configuration and therefore only communication to the GX Device is possible.  
 + 
 +This method can only be used to configure a single Fronius unit within a LAN. Multiple Fronius devices in the same LAN must be configured with DHCP, or manual addressing method. 
 +  - Make sure the "IP Switch" on the Fronius Datamanager is on position "A" {{:ccgx:fronius_datamanager_ip_switch.png?600|}} 
 +  - Connect both, the Fronius and the GX Device, on the same LAN network, either directly with a LAN cable or using a network switch.  
 +  - The Fronius is now accessible and having a "Link-local" capable IP address configured: 169.254.0.180 
 + 
 +=== 2.2.1.3 manual addressing method === 
 +You will have to configure the IP address of the Fronius to be in the same subnet as the IP address of the GX Device. To do this, first have a look at the IP configuration your GX Device is using on that network.  
 + 
 +The IP configuration can be reviewed in Settings --> Ethernet. The important settings are the IP address and Subnet Mask. 
 + 
 +If the LAN IP address and Subnet Mask of the GX Device is not configured yet, you will have to set it first.  
 + 
 +As an example, the IP address on the GX Device could be: 192.168.10.1 and the Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0.  
 + 
 +Configuring the Fronius to the same subnet means setting a manual IP address to: 192.168.10.2 and the same Subnet Mask of 255.255.255.0 on the Fronius.  
 + 
 +Every device on your LAN has to have a unique (different) IP address and so the last segment (.1/.2) in this example has to differ on every device on the same LAN. The highest value, that can be set for this segment is 254.  
 + 
 +The subnet is described by the first 3 segments in this case and so they have to be the same. Configuring multiple devices with exactly the same IP addresses will lead to network errors. Use different IP subnets for the WiFi and wired LAN interface. The IP address ranges used on each interface should differ in the third segment. 
 + 
 +As an example: 192.168.10.1-254 for LAN IP's and 192.168.11.1-254 for WiFi IP's. 
 + 
 +Configure the Fronius Datamanager to use an IP address on the same subnet, as described above.  
 +You may need to refer to the Fronius operating manual for how this is done for your Fronius Inverter model,   
 + 
 +If you would like to connect the Fronius to be able to use the internet connection of your Local network, you have to set Gateway and DNS IP addresses on the Fronius as well. They should be exactly the same as in the Settings --> Ethernet of the GX Device. 
 + 
 + 
 + 
 + 
 + 
 +==== 2.2.2 Adding Fronius to the GX Device ==== 
 + 
 +1. In the GX Device, navigate to //Settings// and then the //PV Inverters// section. You will see this menu: \\ {{:ccgx:pvinverter_setup_menu.png?nolink|}} \\ \\ 
 + 
 +2. Select //Scan// in the GX Device menu, and after completion go into the Inverters submenu to see the results. If scanning does not find the inverter, manually add the IP address of the Fronius Datamanager <del>from its card, or box.</del> 
 + 
 +3. The GX Device will automatically scan for PV-inverters on the local network if no PV-inverters were found previously or if a previously-found PV-inverter cannot be contacted. This will happen if the IP address of the PV-inverter changes. To prevent automatic scanning, disable //Automatic scanning//
 + 
 +    * We recommend that automatic scanning is enabled (the default) in residential and small commercial applications. 
 +    * In larger installations, or where the scanning interferes with other equipment on the network, automatic scanning should be disabled. 
 +    * Note that if DHCP is used to allocate dynamic addresses in your computer network, the connection to your PV-inverter may be permanently lost if automatic scanning is disabled and the IP-address of the PV-inverter changes.   
 + 
 +4. Once located, you will see the Inverters listed in the menu. The name used will be the serial number of the inverter - which you will also find on the inverter itself: \\ {{:ccgx:ccgx-pvinverters.png?nolink|}} \\ \\ 
 + 
 +5. Configure the //position// relative to the Multi or Quattro (is it: AC Input / AC Output); and the //show// setting for each inverter in the list: \\ {{:ccgx:ccgx-pvinverter-position.png?nolink|}} \\ \\ 
 +    * Position: Select the position relative to the Multi or Quattro [AC Input 1 / AC Input 2 / AC Output] 
 +    * Show: Select whether to how this inverter in the system or not. Use this feature when there are multiple, separate, energy systems on the same LAN. 
 + 
 +6. Configure the //phase// for each inverter in the list: \\ {{:ccgx:ccgx-pvinverter-phase.png?nolink|}} \\ \\ 
 + 
 +    * Phase: Select the phase on which the PV Inverter installed. This setting is automatically set to Multi-phase for split- and three-phase PV Inverters. 
 +    * In some cases a single-phase PV inverter may deliver power at 240V or 208V across two downstream phases, such as in a residential split-phase configuration in North America.  In this case the setting will not be set to Multi-phase automatically and you need to select //Split-phase (L1+L2)//. This instructs the GX Device to divide the measured incoming power evenly across the two phases for display and accounting purposes. 
 + 
 +7. Done! 
 + 
 +==== 2.2.3 Device scan details ==== 
 + 
 +As mentioned above the GX Device should find all Fronius inverters automatically. It will scan all IP-addresses in the local network (that is, all IP-addresses within the netmask assigned to the GX Device) to check whether or not they are //Fronius datamanager// cards. This scan will be performed during GX Device startup; whenever the GX Device loses connection to a data card; and a scan can also be initiated manually by selecting 'Press to scan'
 + 
 +Usually a scan is completed within a minute - though if you have a large subnet it may take much more time. If you don't want to wait for completion, enter an IP-address manually. 
 + 
 +All data cards found will be entered in the 'Detected data cards' list. The GX Device will regularly (once every minute) scan the IP-addresses in this list in order to find new data cards, or reconnect to data cards whenever the connection was lost. 
 + 
 +If you don't want an automatic scan to be performed, disable the //Automatic scanning// setting on the PV-inverters menu. 
 + 
 +===== 2.3 Monitoring GX Device ===== 
 + 
 +When the Fronius is detected and configured on the GX Device all PV inverters will be visible in the devicelist. 
 + 
 +{{ :ccgx:ccgx-fronius0.png?nolink |}} 
 +\\ 
 +To see the device details, navigate to the menu. 
 +Here you can see the current state, current power generated, total power generated. 
 + 
 +{{ :ccgx:ccgx-fronius1.png?nolink |}} 
 +{{ :ccgx:ccgx-fronius2.png?nolink |}} 
 +\\ 
 +For more details on each device navigate to the Device menu. Here you will find: IP address, Product name, product ID, and Serial number, etc. 
 + 
 +{{ :ccgx:ccgx-fronius-device2.png?nolink |}} 
 + 
 +=== Inverter status === 
 + 
 +The following status values are supported: 
 +^ State ^ Meaning ^ 
 +| Standby | The PV-inverter is not generating power. | 
 +| Startup | The PV-inverter is starting up, but not generating power yet. | 
 +| Running (MPPT) | The PV-inverter is running at maximum power. | 
 +| Running (Throttled) | The PV-inverter is running, but power is being throttled. | 
 +| Error | One or more errors are present.\\ Note that not all errors will cause the PV-inverter to shut down. | 
 + 
 +===== 2.4 Monitoring on the VRM Portal ===== 
 + 
 +To see the yield on the VRM site (in the //Advanced// tab), don't forget to enable the PV Inverter yield widget(s) in Settings -> Advanced tab setup. 
 + 
 +{{ :ccgx:vrm-fronius.jpg?nolink |}} 
 + 
 + 
 +===== 2.5 Zero Feed-in ===== 
 + 
 +It is possible to make a Zero feed-in system with Victron & Fronius. The Venus device will the control the Fronius output power. See the [[ess:design-installation-manual|ESS manual]], chapter 4.3.11 Fronius Zero feed-in for details. 
 + 
 + 
 + 
 + 
 + 
 +====== 3. Frequently Asked Questions ====== 
 + 
 +==== Q1 Why doesn't the frequency settings in the Multi and the Fronius need to be the same? ====
  
 The first two frequencies do not need to be the same since the Multi actively regulates.  The first two frequencies do not need to be the same since the Multi actively regulates. 
  
-=== I have an Fronius IG inverter (not Plus), can that work? ===+==== Q2 I have an Fronius IG inverter (not Plus), can that work? ====
 No, the IG inverters cannot be made to work in a MicroGrid system. The appropriate substitute for an IG 30 is the GALVO 2.5-1 or an IG Plus 25V-1 (depending on the desired DC voltage range). No, the IG inverters cannot be made to work in a MicroGrid system. The appropriate substitute for an IG 30 is the GALVO 2.5-1 or an IG Plus 25V-1 (depending on the desired DC voltage range).
  
 +==== Q3 The system is locked to 53 Hz and does not resume ====
 +See [[:assistants:pv-inverter-support#q1_the_system_is_locked_to_53_hz_and_does_not_resume|here]].
 +==== Q4 Can I use the Fronius Smart Meter? ====
 +
 +That depends on the type of system and software configuration.
 +
 +A Fronius Smart Meter can be used in these two situations:
 +
 +  - when used only for reporting to Solarweb
 +  - when used for limiting export, in a system where the Victron system is not configured as an ESS system.
 +
 +The Fronius Smart-Meter can not be used for the Fronius built-in export limiting feature when part of a Victron ESS system. Instead, use the Victron ESS Fronius Zero-feed in feature, see chapter 4.3.11, Fronius Zero Feed-in, in the [[ess:design-installation-manual|ESS manual]].
 +
 +
 +==== Q5 How can I get the Fronius firmware that improves flickering? ====
 +
 +Fronius has a special firmware available, on request, that fixes light flickering issues that occur on certain installations under certain circumstances.
 +
 +For Fronius PV inverters produced after 2018-week 16, contain the flicker-fix already straight from production.
 +
 +To update earlier and/or already installed PV Inverters, contact Fronius Tech Support for the file. The required file is fro29130.upd. Which works for all snap-inverter models (Primo, Symo and Eco). There is no, and will be no, fix available for Fronius Galvos.
 +
 +===== DISQUS =====
  
 ~~DISQUS~~ ~~DISQUS~~
 +
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